- martin luther- who kept right on protesting; they just kept right on doing it. and they said, "no. that's not enough. we need to get more holy, more apostolic, more back to the true church." and from that, we see a great tradition known as the anabaptist tradition. swiss brethren actually began it, but they have a whole set of rules about separating from the world- church and state should not be one and the same; they should be different, they have different kinds of powers- and that's where they went, and you know, that's the basic idea on the amish. yeah, chris? >> weren't the anabaptists one of the reasons they wanted to move to american and to other outlying continents? weren't they severely persecuted by both protestants and catholics? >> absolutely. there's an amazing story- you've heard of the mennonites- simon menno? he is one of the ones that tries to get some common ground, because when this explodes, this anabaptist fervor- for instance, the town of munster, a group of radical anabaptists took over the town, and they said, "jesus is coming back at any